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jettonight,donaldtrump,steve for jettonight,donaldtrump,stevefor bes. >> it doesn't get more vicious than this one. an arizona man in the shower, stabbed twive times, shot in the head and his throat slit from ear to ear. his accused killer, his former girlfriend, now standing trial. but she claims -- at least now, that she was forced to kill. >> i didn't kill travis. i did not take his life. >> this is not a case of who done it. the person who done it, the person who committed this killing sits in court today. the defendant, jodi arias.
>> i could just arrest you and throw you in jail. i want to know why, why did you do this to him? >> you did not shoot trav ?is. >> i have never shot a real gun. >> you did not stab him 27 times. >> that's heinous. >> slit his throat ear to ear. >> i can't imagine slitting anyone's throat, ever. if i was trying to kill somebody, i would use gloves. >> did you kill travis alexander on june 4, 2008. >> yes, i did. >> ma'am, were you crying when you were shooting him? >> i don't remember. >> were you crying when you were stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat, were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> you fired a gun, shot him in the head and killed him, right? >> yes. i grabbed a gun, i ran out of the closet, he was chasing me.
>> turned around and we were in the middle of the bathroom and i pointed it at him. i didn't know that i shot him. >> you remember stabbing him 27 times? >> i have no memory of stabbing him. >> this individual is manipulative and this individual will stop at nothing and will continue to be manipulative and will lie at every turn and on every occasion. she has. it's so easy for her to make these allegations. it's so easy for her to get on the witness stand and lie. i think it's important to talk about what this case is not about. it is not even about whether or not you like jodi arias. nine days out of ten, i don't like jodi arias. but that doesn't matter. your liking her or not liking her does not objectively assess the evidence. evidence. >> greta: jodi arias could get the death penalty if convicted of first-degree murder. she is accused of shooting,
stabbing and slitting her ex-boyfriend's throat in the shower. troy has been in the courtroom the entire time. he joins us, this is the point where everybody begins to get ready for whatever the eventual verdict is. all eyes usually on the defendant. the jury looked at her for four months. what are the people in the audience saying about her? do they like her? do they think she a liar, a killer or do they think she is sympathetic? >> seems like the whole world, greta is against jodi arias. you heard her defense attorney saying hey, nine out of ten days i don't even like her. two different reactions from the people in the courthouse. everybody on the edge of their seats. really into it. today, the defense attorney not so much, get it. people sitting back. at one point i tweeted this out from the courtroom. 7 different jurors had their heads like this and chins in their hands and didn't seem to be in mao it. doesn't bode well for jodi
arias and the defense. >> greta: there are few people outside the courthouse carrying signs that say free the defendant, o.j. didn't do it or whatever. does she have any supporters outside the courtroom thinking she is being railroaded and victimizedoor woman by an abusive guy. >> this is the first case i have covered where are social media played an extensive role. i would say 90 out of 100 against jodi arias. a real hatred across the country and almost like jodi killed a member of their family. if someone comes downtown phoenix and tries to hold a sign that says free jodi, look out, they might get into some trouble. >> greta: the evidence, she has given three different versions of what she says happened to the murder victim. given three different versions. better hope if she does get a guilty verdict her life is spared or perhaps even a hung jury. it does seem this is a it tough case for her.
i'm curious did the prosecution have any problems going into the verdict stage? is there any glaring problem the prosecution has? >> no. i really don't think so. they laid everything out so well from the premeditation. in fact, yesterday juan martinez said something i hadn't heard before until yesterday and that is premeditation. we think about that being a month in advance or a day in advance. he says no. according to state law premeditation is when jodi had the knife in her hand and was going to slit his throat and knew she was going to kill him that is enough to found her guilty of first-degree murder. >> i sat through so many where premed tax increase it could be as fast as that. troy, if you will stand by. shooting. stabbing. throat slitting. which came first and throughout the trial witnesses and attorneys arguing over exactly how the gruesome murder of travis alexander plaid the out. >> the stabbing happened first
because of the for ren sec evidence and the blood spatter evidence upstairs. either way she til killed him three times over. she stabbed him in the heart. he would have died from that. certainly the throat was immediately fatal and the gun shot would have been immediate or could have been fatal. >> greta: why does the sequence of the bloody attack matter? dr. michael badden joins us. in this particular case why does the sequence matter and how do you know what the sequence is? he is dead. >> the sequence matters in whether she will be executed or not. not guilt or innocence. if she shot in the head first and loses consciousness or gets woozy and may not feel all of the -- he may not have felt all of the pain and suffering which multiple stab wounds would have caused. so it goes to a degree of pain
and suffering that the decedent feels. i think in this instance and usually the gunshot comes first when there is a weaker perpetrator because it disables the victim in a way before he can grab ahold of her at an arm's length distance and the gun shot wound itself has no powder around it so it is more than two feet away. i just think that the -- throughout the entire autopsy report, greta, there is no indication, no mention that the brain was injured and that the brain is intact, the jaw is intact. no brain injury at all and yet the prosecutor gets the medical examiner to say that the brain was damaged. it it is not damaged according to the autopsy report. >> greta: according to the
autopsy report which is handed out as a piece of evidence, not handed out but you it is a piece of evidence. it says the cause of death is a sharp force trauma of neck and torso. doesn't say it as gunshot wound. >> it doesn't mention the gunshot wound at all because the brain is not damaged. this is concern to me in a bit because the national academy of sciences a few years ago came in with the criticism of for ren is sick science that there is not enough and we as medical examiners and criminalistics are biased toward the prosecutor and i think what happens here is the first mention of brain injury comes up with -- at the trial not in the autopsy report. and it is there to help the prosecutor in establishing all of the pain and suffering that came on before the gunshot wound which would go toward capital punishment. >> greta: we will, we will have the panel coming up but i have
a whole other view of this. the fact that the autopsy report says sharp force trauma of neck and torso shows that this woman assuming she is the one who did it, is that she was crazed and kept stabbing and stabbing and stabbing. that sounds like a rage. that sounds like a murder in the second-degree, not the first. i think that is a benefit to the defense. if it isn't first-degree murder she is not eligible for the death penalty. thank you, doctor. >> thank you, greta. >> greta: juan martinez telling the jury that arias will lie at every turn. we all wonder what does the jury think of arias. they had 18 days to hear directly from the accused killer and even to ask her questions. >> this information that you told us about mr. alexander telling you that the gun was unloaded and you believing it was unloaded when you were
geting that gun what were you going to do with it if it is unloaded? >> i was thinking of just pointing it at him because i know personally if a gun was pointed at me my first instinct would be to stop and that is what i wanted him to do. >> if he had already told you that id why would you believe that he was going to stop if he had previously told you that it was unload. >> it was just a hope because that is my philosophy if i had to look at end of a barrel of a gun i would is stop and i didn't have time to sit and rationalize whether or not he would care whether it was loaded or unloaded or what, i just wanted him to stop. >> and he came after you into the bathroom and then pointed it in your face and your testimony is that you were just pointing the gun at him when came at you, right? >> um, yes. >> you would agree that it requires you to put your trigger on the finger and pull it for it to fire, right?
>> that is my understanding, yes? >> well, you were there, right? >> yes. >> and so you fired the gun, you shot the him in the head and you killed him, right? >> objection, your honor, mischaracterizes the evidence. >> overruled. >> right? >> yes. >> it was a mistake for the defense to put arias on o the ground the witness stand. joining us, our legal panel. bernie grimm and troy williams and in phoenix. i wouldn't go for broke on this that she is isn't. because she told three different stories i would be worried about saying her neck and using the own showing that this is a rage murder bringing it down to murder two. >> trying to put aside what everybody else in the courtroom feels how do you feel about
arias and how she sort of presents herself or feel sympathetic when she is on the stand and crying? >> i do sort of feel sorry for her as a person. i don't think she is well 86 met her and spoke with her at length for awhile and seemed nice. my opinion all along is there are two jodis. the jodi that i meant and the jodi that it this crime. i bond ferrara she woul wonderd first i tonight know what happened to me, i don't know what happened this guy just made me craze. >> greta: that is ma i mean, made me crazy and so angry. brings it from a murder one and murder two and gets out of the death penalty. >> that is where the rage killing comes in. the fortunate thing for jodi arias who is facing capital murder is that the judge permitted enstubbses on capital murder, second-degree murder and manslaughter so the jury could come back in any one of those area and when you are
looking at a rage killing and troy may very well speak for what the jurors feel and that is that something is wrong with this woman, there is a disconnect and we are not going to put her to death. >> greta: let me play of sound bite when she was argumentative and about her memory problems. >> that is what you remember? >> that is what i remember, yes. >> have you having any memory problems? >> who else would o the ground be aware of you having any memory problems other than you? >> objection. >> overrule. >> you seem to imply that i am. >> i am not implying anything. i want you to tell me whether you are having any memory problems right now. >> well, i already answered that and said not that i'm aware of. >> greta: a snap shot of an entire cross examine but go
ahead. >> this is a prosecutor's dream. i used to say a prayer hoping the defendant would take the stand in a case. nothing quite like letting the jurors watch in real time especially over 18 days the inside mind of a defendant. this this case i see two different personalities. the timid mousy one i didn't do this or if i did it i didn't remember it and then the sarcastic sort of angry sort of cunning person and i december on rage.gree people kill people because they hate them sometimes, they want to get even with them. is that is not for premeditation. i have done murder cases where they were stabbed and slit their shots and shot but you never all three. i think the death penalty in this case. >> let me play another on the witness stand and lieutenant
see what the panel thinks. >> were you crying when you were shooting him? >> i don't remember. >> were you crying when you were stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat, were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> well, take a look then. and you are the one that did this, right? >> yes. >> and you are same individual that lied about all this, right? >> yes. >> so then take a look at it. >> greta: bernie, lots of tears. but she is on the witness stand and the murder is particularly brutal and you heard the jurors' questions of her before. >> i guess a couple of things. one is we don't know whether they are crocodile tears or not but you first let me get back to hammer. i find out that he prays during his trials. you are a better lawyer than that. but two, here is ryan, michael
wade -- here is where i am. michael badden all but said this guy is shot first. >> greta: that is not the prosecution theory. the prosecution stepped in it i think for the defense. >> yeah, in terms of passion. and jim is right, premeditation like that but prosecutors is have all these little gimmicky tricks. this is ridge. this woman is sick. >> greta: you can be perfectly sane and have rage. >> look at ted. perfectly -- >> but this is the key here. i have been watching this prosecutor. this prosecutor has been like a pitbull and what i'm simply saying is it is according to how the jury looks at the flip flippant attitude of the prosecutor in cross examining this woman and all you need is just one jury to hang the jury. >> greta: all you need is one jury but if he were are the prosecutor i would put all of the pictures up from the autopsy. troy, last word.
jim? >> jim hammer. arias is going to walk -- this is similar to scott peterson. they heard the recordings after his wife and baby were dead they were talking about trips to paris. it shows a coldness and ma nip lakes. >> he is going to take the last word in all of this. outnumbered anyway, prosecutor to three defense attorneys. >> greta: steve forbes is next. also, one state just amped up its fate with president obama. the legislature passing a bill making it criminal in that state to enforce obama care. plus, nba star kobe bryant suing his mother. taking his mother to court. no, this one is not both maxwell and ted have hail damage to their cars.
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>> i have a job, you have a job. so we are okay. but a lot of americans don't. the fact that it dipped down a 10th of a percent in april. is that a really good sign or does that mislead us in examining the economy? >> well, unfortunately, there is a fly in the ointment or a fly the size of an airplane. that's with obamacare coming in, and other factors, the number of people who want full-time jobs but have to take part-time jobs went up from 7.6 million to 7.9 million people. so what you are finding more and more employers doing, not just in the private sector but in the universities and the government sector is sharply reducing the number of people to make sure they don't get hit by obamacare. so at the time when it looks like small businesses are starting to get a little bit of credit again and therefore can do more hiring, you have the uncertainty of obamacare hitting
and that's going to slow things down from what should have been a good pickup. >> you know, i read today about part-time workers, you know, a lot of people are part-time workers because they couldn't get full-time work. and more people are going part-time, so they have more competition for part-time jobs. and then the added problem of obamacare, some people who hire part-time workers are going to lower their hours from 30 to 27 so certain requirements don't kick in for them. so the part-time workers may have less hours. this is going to be particularly painful for part-time workers. >> it is, indeed. you even find it at universities. imagine assistant professors who don't have tenure at universities which are supposed to be the font of defending people and liberalism, they are cutting back because they don't want to get hit with the high costs. what is going to add on even more, the subsidies that were supposed to help people get
health care, turns out that many people are going to find their costs are going up, about 6 million people who thought they were going to get subsidies to lower their cost of health care are going to end up paying more. in four years, after a supposed recovery, when we are getting a little bit of steam, all of this comes along and we are artificially hurting the economy again. >> what about if obamacare were out of the calculus? we would have the problem with the people who don't have health insurance and medical care at empties and emergency basis, but if obamacare were out of the calculus, would the economy be better? or would we have other existing problems depressing it? >> we have problems depressing it. but right now, those problems are starting to be overcome. credit for small businesses. there are nonbank sources starting to fill in the gap. banks are easing up, better than they were doing six months or 12 months ago. so the economy would be doing better. obamacare's the big thing. people don't know what they are
going to get hit with. i think next year, we are going to find a lot of businesses that have less than 50 full-time people who in an expansion would go above 50, are going to ask themselves: what are we getting ourselves into if we go above 50? that's a great dead weight. that doesn't get to the debate of the safety net in health care, which obamacare did not address. that's another subject for another time. but the economy definitely would be doing better today, especially with small businesses not having this huge, massive amount of uncertainty and rules and regulations coming from obamacare. >> steve, as always, thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> coming up, donald trump call its a disaster. but is obamacare criminal? one state trying to make enforcing the health care law illegal. donald trump is here to talk about that next. also, forget the lakers/celtics rivalry. lakers super star kobe bryant
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carolina saying any one that enforces it, hasn't been signed by the governor but they want to make it criminal to enforce it. what do you think? >> every business that i know of is having a hard time with obamacare. peep don't understand it. it is written poorly. extremely expensive and every single business that i know of is having problems and frankly what south carolina did is amazing because a lot of people are feeling that way. but businesses are having a tremendous problem not only with the costs but the complexity of it and they don't understand what it means. >> greta: the thing in south carolina will never dark the federal law, the supreme court will obviously trump what south carolina does, i think it is symbolic. i mean i think it is symbolic and not that it will have an impact what south carolina is doing. in terms of th implementation t people might think that don't run businesses that obamacare is not creating a problem now. a bess like yours has got to be sorting through the regulations
now, right, trying to figure out what to do? >> it is creating a problem now and i know a lot of businesses are going less than 30 people and putting in part-time workers and i notice in the reports today there are a lot of part-time workers that came out in the stats that was hearing today on the programs that you have a tremendous number of part-time workers coming out on the statistics. frankly, nobody knows what to say. as you know, the government is hiring thousands and thousands of people to explain it to people. nobody knows what to say. nobody knows how to implement it. and i have been saying it may just die of its own weight. it is a heavy, heavy program that is extremely complex. there are probably lots of ways out of it because again a lot of people are saying they are hearing part-time employees and that way they don't even have obamacare. >> greta: the senate finance chairman who was one of the architects and supporters of this used the unfortunate term this last week in describing it as a possible train wreck.
of course, he is not running again in 014 and left a little bit of a stink bomb for the democrats to handle. why do you think that he used that term? just a lip or having a new look at this? >> he think he was being honest and tell iting the truth. it is a train wreck. nobody know hass is going on and a lot of people were surprised that he came out. he was very much in favor of it and wanted the law implemented and fought for the law but now sees what is happening and frankly, greta, look, i love the country. i want the country to do well. if they are going to have a law, let it work. i would love to see everything work. it is not working. he came out and he was one of the big proponents and came out totally, i mean he used the word train wreck and that word being used all over the place now you because actually those words are very accurate. >> greta: if you could have a beer summit with the president at the white house in the next couple of days or weeks what would you tell h him? >> well, i would say they have to do something. whether it is starting all over
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he joins us. >> can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> greta: great. you new dias and azamat since february of last year. what were they like? >> normal college ste students. they used to hang out and socialize. >> greta: did it surprise you when you heard they were suspected of trying to cover up for dhokhar? >> it came as a shock to me. >> greta: why? >> because they tried to cover information instead of approaching the law enforcement and giving them vital information. >> greta: was there ever any indication that dias and azamat had any sort of hostility or a little bit of terrorism sympathy in them? >> absolutely not. they were normal international students. they behaved absolutely normally. had no such signs that indicated any such kind of
inclination. >> greta: when did you first meet dhokhar because i know you know the other are two first? >> i had just one chance of interacting with dhokhar. he visited my place in october. >> greta: and you thought about him at the time was what? >> he was just an uninvited guest and he was just another friend who came to a gathering. >> greta: so there was nothing that sort of tipped you off that there is anything peculiar are about him or that he would do anything violent or any sense of hostility or any extremism in any way? >> absolutely not. >> greta: how did you find out that dhokhar was one of the suspects of the two in the bombing? >> i followed the fbi page on my facebook and i saw it posted on their wall. >> greta: when you saw -- did you see any of the tv coverage between the time of the bombing and the 15th of the monday and the time that the shootout,
coverageee any of the cover at all? >> yes, i do. >> greta: when you looked at the video that shows him wearing the baseball cap did you think that looks like dhokhar? >> no, i didn't. >> greta: not at all. >> no, because as i said before i just had one meeting with him and it is not so easily to recognize from that particular image fret. >> greta: did you talk to dias or azamat between the time of the bombing and the time they were arrested? >> the last interaction i had with them was some where i think in january. >> greta: raja, thank you very much. and the next debt ceiling showdown is looming but this time the fight could pit democrats against republicans and also perhaps against some fellow democrats. what is the stick point.
chris van hollen is a ranking member of the house budget committee and joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> great to see you, greta. >> greta: the gop wants to link increase of the debt ceiling in relation to passage of overhaul. >> we are not clear what our republican colleagues want with respect to the debt ceiling. right now they have the so called debt prioritization bill coming to the floor of hughes that says the united states will pay some of its bills but not other bills which i think is a cockamamie adeand would hurt the credit rating. and then reports that say we will only say the united states will pay its bills if you do tax reform. we are happy to discuss tax reform get everybody wants tax eform. >> we want to simplify the tax code but that should be in the context of budget negotiations. tell me what the connection is between redoing deficits and debt and the republican version of tax reform. there is no connection that they made. and we actually haven't heard from them directly on this. >> greta: i think probably the
reason why they connect if i this isk for them on this is that in washington things don't get done. we have seen even look like at sequester was an effort to try to do that but that didn't work out too well because that didn't prevent sequestration from happening the draconian effects. in the senate, senator baucus said he is willing to link the dem ceiling with overhauling the tax code. >> the place to do tax eform is in the context of the budget negotiations. the house pass the budget and the senate has a budget. the next step as you know is to have a budget negotiation and conference. >> greta: why hasn't that happened? who makes the decision to pull the trigger on having a reconciliation. >> the speaker of the house has to name conferees.
hearry reid asked for unanimous consent in the senate and he was blocked. >> greta: can't he just name the conferees. >> no, he don't. there is a process you go through. and in the house we are asking as we speak for the speaker to let us all go to conference antidepressants he has refused to appoint conferees and move on. despite the talk about no budget no pay right now it is just a fact that the speaker of the house is standing in the way of going to conference on the budget. >> greta: if speaker boehner today said these are the people i'm naming to go to conference to represent us in a conference that that would move the budget forward another step that is the only impediment to the next step in discussing the budget between the house and the senate? >> absolutely. join the speaker in naming conferees. we said that and w and we haven him a letter. harry reid tried to get permission to appoint conferees in the senate. he was blocked from getting
unanimous consent the other dae. senator toomey objected. it is a little bit confusing for us after all of these months and years of our republican colleagues understandably complaining the senate didn't have a budget that now that they do have a budget they are reseventhing the idea of going to conference. >> greta: the interesting watching from the sidelines like do. everybody blames everybody else. complains about the senate not having a budget for four years and they didn't. now, i hear from you that what is stopping the budget from going forward is the reconciliation and what stands in the way is the speaker naming his conferees. >> but i'm not makin making th. >> greta: i -- i'm saying that it is distressing the american people watching this. the only reason we have sequestration is because for whatever reason the house and the senate and the president couldn't get it together in august of 2011. so you know, everyone was sort of hoping that putting the sequestration over all your heads would somehow force all of you to like get together and
talk and that didn't happen. we have sequestration whether people like it or don't like it and now you we he have another stop here. >> that is disappointing. and i he have proposed a bill in the house to replace sequestration with an equal amount of deficit reduction but in what we consider a more targeted way. haven't even gotten a chance to have a vote on it. i tried four times just to have a vote. i'm not asking speaker boehner to vote on it. just asking for a vote to replace sequester because we see he the disruptive impacts on the economy and we should do better. so i hope we can all come together at least agree to vote on things frets than. >> greta: thank you, sir. nice to see you. straight ahead, an nba basketball star's family feud. why is kobe bryant taking his own mother to court? that's next. you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service
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